tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8111004075623905123.post4028234828686562514..comments2023-03-25T12:05:38.111+00:00Comments on L'enfer, c'est les autres: Be careful what you wish for.....HRDhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11380051386252077097noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8111004075623905123.post-49488029938349187452009-05-27T20:00:11.646+01:002009-05-27T20:00:11.646+01:00@All - Thanks for your comments. It would seem th...@All - Thanks for your comments. It would seem that you guys are all mainstream and I am the edgy different one...so I'll take that mantle :)<br /><br />I'll keep preaching that people are people not assets and need more than money. On day perhaps I'll convince you...but then again....HRDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11380051386252077097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8111004075623905123.post-9890330991464284152009-05-26T15:27:48.318+01:002009-05-26T15:27:48.318+01:00I gotta go with Laurie on this one. Work is work....I gotta go with Laurie on this one. Work is work. It does however provide me with the means to achieve a higher end, my own happiness, through getting paid, and thus having the ability to spend my time and money as I choose. <br /><br />I spend considerable time in the Army in a combat arms unit, and know that there are jobs that transcend the money in exchange for services model. We wore the uniform for a higher purpose and were united together for mutual survival. <br /><br />That being said, civilian work, for the most part isn't life and death, and it's a grind. I exchange my time and expertise for my employers coin, and then spend the coin how I choose. The reason unemployed people have higher anxiety isn't necessarily the lack of work related identity, it's the lack of money that, which creates stress (how to pay bills, feed oneself, etc.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8111004075623905123.post-34751490879355517002009-05-26T13:38:27.331+01:002009-05-26T13:38:27.331+01:00But a blacksmith is surely the perfect example of ...But a blacksmith is surely the perfect example of someone who apprenticed into a trade and didn't really have any say about it? It was in the family. You infer a high degree of self-worth based on an inherited trade, but does it mean that there is identity and self-worth or was that simply What Was Done?<br /><br />And yes. Drug dealing is a financial transaction, for which users are there with liquid income courtesy of the understood pride and identity they have in their jobs. I mean, since they're so happy being bankers/lawyers/librarians, they just augment that with dodgy pharmaceuticals, yes?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8111004075623905123.post-59032806654330071792009-05-26T12:02:27.138+01:002009-05-26T12:02:27.138+01:00Thank you for your comments. Looks like I might b...Thank you for your comments. Looks like I might be pissing in the wind on this one, but I remain unrepentant in my view.<br /><br />@Laurie - I totally appreciate that this is your view, your personal philosophy, but your views are read by a lot of HR bods and I'm afraid many of them are probably take this as mantra based on a lot of the comments you get. If HR people are going out there thinking that employees are just a financial transaction....that is a problem.<br /><br />@Sayya26 - You're probably right that we both have a valid point, but I'm not feeling charitable right now!<br /><br />@Anonymous - Not entirely sure I understand your first point. A blacksmith is a classic example of a profession which gave self worth and identity. I agree that when lay offs are made this does impact self worth and that takes time to build up again, but this is like saying never love so you never get rejected.<br /><br />And as for the last point, this is the old Sartre Camus argument (no really it is) do the means justify the ends or the ends justify the means. I say we should encourage drug dealers. After all they are just making money as a means to an end...its purely a financial transaction.HRDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11380051386252077097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8111004075623905123.post-68338511783783180222009-05-26T10:08:22.628+01:002009-05-26T10:08:22.628+01:00I think you're terribly clever and all that, but I...I think you're terribly clever and all that, but I actually disagree with you on this one.<br /><br />Item the First: "loving your job because it makes some kind of ’spiritual sense for you’ is not an inalienable right. It’s a luxury afforded to a privileged class of people." <br /><br />I would argue that from an anthropological perspective this is nearly true, however it's a luxury provided to a modern class of people, not necessarily a privileged class. As we've grown and not been forced to take on the family farm or blacksmith shop or what have you we have learnt that there is more out there. We can want for more. We may not get more, but we can want for more.<br /><br />Item 2: "Work has always formed part of the definition of self and this is not a bad thing."<br /><br />Completely disagree with you there, my dear HRD. Associating a sense of self with work means that, in the loss of a job, it is a loss of self. This then, I think, is a part of why depression and anxiety is prevalent in a job loss situation (the other part being "how do we pay the bills?"). If you are made redundant then it is felt that you are not needed. The company did not need you and did not want you. You are not valuable to them, nor do you have value. <br /><br />Item 3: "Turning it into a purely financial transaction makes us a commodity....human capital." Is it human capital or simply a means to an end? And is a means to an end such a bad thing?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8111004075623905123.post-70361206771231841522009-05-25T16:31:19.845+01:002009-05-25T16:31:19.845+01:00@ Laurie- see what I meant when I told you my husb...@ Laurie- see what I meant when I told you my husband thinks your thoughts on HR are dangerous? :p<br /><br />This article does ring some truth to it. For some, work is an extension of themselves and it can indeed contribute to the overall well-being of an individual. <br /><br />Look, it takes all kinds to make up this world. Those who find deeper meaning and purpose in their job, and those whose job is just that- a job- something to do to earn an income and provide for themselves or their families.<br /><br />I dare to say both Laurie and HRD may have valid points?Sayya26https://www.blogger.com/profile/07067081272185537941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8111004075623905123.post-24073166338446677942009-05-24T19:06:18.061+01:002009-05-24T19:06:18.061+01:00I love being dangerous! Good thoughts. We bring ou...I love being dangerous! Good thoughts. We bring our personal philosophies to work and we live with the consequences. I'm happy with mine.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00005321569521572360noreply@blogger.com